Saturday, March 29, 2008
MCC HWAC Revenues and Costs Not Separated from Baseball Stadium's
McHenry County College's baseball stadium has gotten most of the attention of people interested in college expansion plans.
That has irritated those pushing the baseball stadium to no end, because they think the nursing program part of Health, Wellness and Athletic Complex is most important.
The MCC board majority would probably be surprised that, when they learn about it, most people agree.
“Why are they even talking about a baseball stadium?” is a typical reaction.
But, Economics Research Associates do not break out the revenue streams for the baseball stadium from those for the fitness center.
How strange.
As if ERA had been instructed not to do so.
My guess is that it's because the baseball stadium will provide 36% (or something in that range) of the revenue, while its cost exceeds that.
For almost the entire debate prior to the city council vote, the public was led to believe that the baseball stadium would bring in 64% of the project revenues. That's what the Northwest Herald reported MCC President Walt Packard said in early June, 2007.
But, he admitted to me that he misspoke in that interview.
64% is significantly more than what the expansion would cost.
Now the question is whether the baseball stadium will pay what it costs.
The first ERA report seemed to say the answer was “No.”
I couldn't find an updated answer in the 2nd ERA study.
One should be able to find that cost-benefit ratio.
It tells whether the taxpayers can expect to be forced to subsidize baseball promoter Pete Heitman's and Mark Houser's little game.
Now the question is whether the baseball stadium will pay what it costs.
I couldn't find that answer in the ERA study.
One should be able to find that cost-benefit ratio.
That has irritated those pushing the baseball stadium to no end, because they think the nursing program part of Health, Wellness and Athletic Complex is most important.
The MCC board majority would probably be surprised that, when they learn about it, most people agree.
“Why are they even talking about a baseball stadium?” is a typical reaction.But, Economics Research Associates do not break out the revenue streams for the baseball stadium from those for the fitness center.
How strange.
As if ERA had been instructed not to do so.
My guess is that it's because the baseball stadium will provide 36% (or something in that range) of the revenue, while its cost exceeds that.
For almost the entire debate prior to the city council vote, the public was led to believe that the baseball stadium would bring in 64% of the project revenues. That's what the Northwest Herald reported MCC President Walt Packard said in early June, 2007.
But, he admitted to me that he misspoke in that interview.
64% is significantly more than what the expansion would cost.
Now the question is whether the baseball stadium will pay what it costs.
The first ERA report seemed to say the answer was “No.”
Revenue 36%.
Cost 38.5%.
Cost 38.5%.
I couldn't find an updated answer in the 2nd ERA study.
One should be able to find that cost-benefit ratio.
It tells whether the taxpayers can expect to be forced to subsidize baseball promoter Pete Heitman's and Mark Houser's little game.
Now the question is whether the baseball stadium will pay what it costs.
I couldn't find that answer in the ERA study.
One should be able to find that cost-benefit ratio.
Labels: Baseball Stadium, Economics Research Associates, ERA, HWAC, MCC, McHenry County College, Pete Heitman, Walt Packard
Monday, March 10, 2008
MCC Seeking Bids on Baseball Stadium on Bidclerk?
Maybe not yet, but someone is shopping the details to contractors and has been on part of the project since last June.Both MCC Board President George Lowe and Chris Krug, the Northwest Herald's biggest supporter of a baseball stadium at the Crystal Lake campus, say the stadium is dead.
But look what a very resourceful friend of McHenry County Blog found on the internet:
Project ID: 685503
| Project Name: | Available to Subscribers only. Click here to Sign Up. | ||||||||
| Project Type: | New Construction, Site Work |
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| Building Use: | Educational, Arenas / Stadiums | ||||||||
| Reported: | 10/22/2007 | ||||||||
| Status: | Conceptual | ||||||||
| Private / Public: | Public | ||||||||
| Location: | Crystal Lake, IL | ||||||||
| Project Address: | Available to Subscribers only. Click here to Sign Up. | ||||||||
| Bid Date: | |||||||||
| Est. Start Date: | March 2009 | ||||||||
The description?“Site work and new construction of an athletic facility in Crystal Lake. Conceptual plans call for a 6,500-seat baseball stadium that would host a minor-league team.The information for this stadium proposal was posted 10/22/2007
“This project is pending approval and funding. General inquiries will not be accepted at this time.”
“Est. start date” is listed as March 2009.
The description of what is to be done?
“General Requirements, Site Work -- Clearing & Grubbing, Earthwork, Excavation, Driven Steel Piles, Paving, Pavement Markings, Site Utilities, Storm Drainage, Pavement Sealants, Irrigation Systems, Fences & Gates, Landscaping, Concrete -- Concrete Formwork, Concrete Reinforcement, Cast-in-Place Concrete, Precast Concrete, Masonry / Stone -- CMU, Metals -- Structural Steel, Metal Decking, Metal Fabrications, Metal Stairs, Pipe & Tube Railings, Gratings, Wood / Plastics -- Rough Carpentry, Finish Carpentry, Architectural Woodwork, Thermal / Moisture -- Waterproofing, Insulation, Metal Wall Panels, Membrane Roofing, Sheet Metal Flashing & Trim, Roof Accessories, Fire Proofing, Caulking & Sealants, Doors / Windows -- Steel Doors & Frames, Access Doors, Overhead Doors, Storefronts, Security Windows, Hardware, Glazing, Mirrored Glass, Glazed Aluminum Curtain Wall, Finishes -- Gypsum Board Drywall, Tile, ACT, Floor Sealers, Resilient Flooring & Wall Base, Carpet, Hazard Striping, Paint, Ferrous Metal Coatings, Specialties -- Monitor Supports, Toilet Compartments, Wall Protection, Bird Controls, Flagpoles, Signage, Fire Extinguishers, Toilet & Bath Accessories, Equipment -- Loading Dock Equipment, Food Service Equipment, Audio/Visual Equipment, Closed Circuit TV, Furnishings -- Floor Mats, Multiple Seating, Countertops, Conveying Systems -- Elevators, Mechanical -- Piping, Valves, Motors, Mechanical ID, Seismic Controls, Mechanical Insulation, Fire Protection, Plumbing, Refrigeration, HVAC, Fans, Ductwork, Building Controls, Electrical -- Electrical ID, Raceways, Cable Trays, Wiring & Cables, Boxes, Vibration Isolation Systems, Switchboards & Panelboards, Transformers, Switchgears, Motor Controllers, TVSS, Grounding, Lighting, Fire Alarms, Video Surveillance Systems, Access Controls, Telecommunication Systems.“Where is it?
Take a look at the map available...even to non-subscribers.
An alert reader notes: "That's the location of Prairie Ridge High School! Is this a mistake in the listing, a red herring or plan B? I'm checking to see if I have a contact who knows a member."
Project 614501 Project Name: Available to Subscribers only. Click here to Sign Up.
| Project Name: | Available to Subscribers only. Click here to Sign Up. | ||||||||
| Project Type: | New Construction, Site Work |
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| Building Use: | Educational, Fitness / Rec Centers | ||||||||
| Reported: | 06/28/2007 | ||||||||
| Status: | Conceptual | ||||||||
| Private / Public: | Public | ||||||||
| Location: | Crystal Lake, IL | ||||||||
| Project Address: | Available to Subscribers only. Click here to Sign Up. | ||||||||
| Bid Date: | |||||||||
| Est. Start Date: | June 2008 | ||||||||
What is being sought?
“Site work and new construction of a recreational facility in Crystal Lake. Plans call for the construction of a 96,000-square-foot health, wellness, and athletic complex which will house classrooms, a fitness center, batting cages and four college-sized basketball courts.Note the information for this HWAC facility was posted 06/28/2007.
“No timeline has been announced. Interested parties should contact the owner.“
Here's what is listed in the project:“General Requirements, Site Work -- Excavation, Paving, Grading, Fences, Landscaping, Site Utilities, Sewerage, Irrigation, Concrete -- Cast-In-Place Concrete, Concrete Formwork, Concrete Reinforcement, Masonry / Stone -- CMU, Mortar, Brick, Metals -- Structural Steel, Metal Decking, Metal Fabrications, Metal Framing, Steel Joists, Metal Railings, Wood / Plastics -- Rough Carpentry, Architectural Woodwork, Finish Carpentry, Thermal / Moisture -- Waterproofing, Insulation, Membrane Roofing, Roof Accessories, Flashing & Sheet Metal, Caulking & Sealants, Doors / Windows -- Metal Doors & Frames, Wood Doors, Automatic Doors, Overhead Doors, Glazing, Storefronts, Access Doors, Hardware, Finishes -- Drywall, Plaster, Metal Stud Framing, VCT, Paint, Tile, Carpet, ACT, Resilient Flooring, Athletic Flooring, FRP Panels, Specialties -- Signage, Toilet Accessories, Fire Extinguishers, Lockers, Mirrors, Toilet Partitions, Equipment -- Athletic Equipment, Conveying Systems -- Elevators, Mechanical -- HVAC, Plumbing, Fire Protection, Building Controls, Ductwork, Electrical -- Wiring, Lighting, Telephone/Data Systems, Alarm Systems, Grounding.”
So, how dead do you think the project is?
If any readers know a contractor, ask your contact if he or she subscribes to Bidclerk. I'd love to be able to print the details on McHenry County Blog.
Remember, you can click to enlarge any image.
Labels: Baseball Stadium, Bidclerk, HWAC, MCC, McHenry County College
