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Hmmmm again - more "signs" of the times. The lessons we're teaching the kids are surely not about fair and balanced coverage, Freedom of Speech, and good financial management.

Maybe this comment attributed to Albert Einstein speaks to that which is too present inside of us -

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Sticks and stones. Sticks and stones.

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Cal and others,

I am wondering if you have had achance to read Rich Millers comentary in the Sun-Times today? If not it's worth it. Listed on his "losers" list is Jack Roeser. Wow. That hurts. However, Mr. Miller makes his point with facts about Mr. Roeser's success. Pretty much a Kiss-of-Death to take funds from him. Remember when he supported Chad Koppe for gov.? That sure was money well spent.

Did he contribute to your cause Cal?
 

He did, but not enough. (That is public record pretty easily found on the State Board of Elections web site.)

You should look at the Scott Bludorn race against Sid Mathias. Roeser was in that race supporting Bludorn.

Bludorn did very well, especially considering what I have been told was told Jewish households about Bludorn.

It's a shame it was not taped.

Couldn't found your previous post concerning my pension and your question, "I also wonder what he was able to do with was in his war chest after his defeat?"

Yes, I have a pension resulting from 24 years of public service. Good, but probably not as good as the teachers who are my age. And, my elective and executive branch service was considerably more risky than those of my public educator peers.

As to what happened to the Skinner Campaign Fund, take a look. It is public record. My name is attached, something you did not do in your comment.

If you analyze it, you will see that I am personally owed significant amounts of money. Unlike other campaign funds that show candidate debts, my persoal loans to the committee are actually secured with assets that result from prudent investments of campaign funds in 1983. (Even I figured out I was going to lose the State Comptroller's race by September,1982, so I stopped all unessential money; leaving cash in the fund after the campaign was over.)
 

hunterandscout -

I just read Millers commentary. What a hoot. He seems to think he gets to choose who gets to run and who gets to support them.

He also seems to think that people willing to put thier own fortune on th eline to present thier point of view is somewhat wrong. And he seems to think you should only be able to run if you can run a good campaign.

Let go and read the state and federal constitutions to see if he's right..oh yeah, I don't have to....

Ok, Hunterandscout, you want to put up a substantial portion of your wealth to support your point of view? And what is your point of view?

If we get to pick which candidates should be thrown out of the state, shouldn't they get to pick some voters to do like wise with? (let me see.. Dave, Comrade arndt...
 

I imagine that the signs were simply in the garbage because they were placed on school property. Once they were placed on school property, the district can do whatever they want with the signs. Are you really that surprised that you would find signs in the garbage after an election.

Sort of the like the flyer that was put on my door from FTN. It went out in the trash this weekend.

What bother's me the most about your pictures is that adults with cameras are walking around school property. Perhaps the person who took the pictures should turn themselves in for trespassing. That is an offense that should be taken very seriously - at least for those who care about kids.

Cal, you are not a reporter so you aren't protected by the same rules as them. What you have is evidence of trespassing. As a state rep who was sworn in, I would think the laws are still important to you.

Dave Bishop
West Dundee
 

Cal,

Thank you for your reponse. My point is when you are in the public sector there are few accountabilty checks with what one receives at the end of the tenure. Your pension is the same regardless of your effectivness as compared to other more effective politicians. I realize that the public decides one's number of years one service, but Phil Crane is an example of a life long "servant" who was allowed to contine to "represent" his consituents when he had checked out a long time before he was removed from his gravy ride.

To moelson:

I stand for the what I beleive to be what America promises all of us.Oh yes, that would be the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I think that includes the content of the Sun Times commentary. Let me say that I have been very fortunate in my life. I choose to spend my money on those who I believe can affect significant change that benefits those who have not been as fortunate that I.

My contributions are private and will remian that way. I do not in any way feel that I could be as effective as others in the political sector as those that I support.
 

To D.B. from WD. Are you one of the attornies from D300, your acting like one. Funny how Cameras catch things like these isn't it. NO!, Trespassing Laws were broken! All sign placement was within Carpentersville Code Rules. The "NO" Signs were ALL found Early Tuesday morning, YES VOTING DAY! Now isn't that interesting. Whats even better is that D300 Schools were used as Polling Places now I wonder if that Swayed any D300 Votes. As for your "Imagining" things maybe there is a Camera pointing at YOU, Now wouldn't that be funny!
 

Dave -

You continue to amaze me with your total lack of a grasp on reality. Reporters are not protected any more than any other citizen. The fourth estate continues to claim the right to protect sources, but time and again they go to jail for not divulging sources. They get no special protection.

Also the property between the sidewalk and the street is public right of way and in the city of carpentersville, it is leagal to put political signs there. It is illegal to remove them for any purpose.

As for whetehr Cal has "evidence" of a tresspassing crime, it wouldn't hold water. The district does not post signs in it's parking lots identfying them as private. It is reasonable to assume they are public. Secondly, the pictures do not show in any way where the individual taking them are.

And Dave, wake up. Do you know how many adults there are with cameras on D300 school property every day? Clue phone Dave -it for you - well just about every other cell phone now is also a camera.

Interesting that your concern for student saftey only comes up when it is a reaction someone catching the D300 employees taking the signs down.

Dave - when will you deal with issue and facts and quit making up stuff to suit your self? They possible illegal actions here were on the part of a D300 employee.
 

hunterandscout -

Please accept my appology if you think I was questioning your contributions, political support , etc. You do have the right to back anyone you wish. And I encourage you to stay involved in the process even though we may be on differing sides of most equations.

I also have no quarrell with Mr Milers inalienable right to write his article.

What I cannot understand is that after you say "Oh yes, that would be the Constitution and Bill of Rights." you still agree with what he says. Even though he appears to say it in jest, he suggests well meaning people be excluded from the process. Worse than that, he uses his ability to get published in the paper to litteraly make light of serious people. The good news is, those folks are big enough to take it.
 

monelson:

You are just plain wrong. I was out on Tuesday placing "yes-yes" signs in legal locations and there were "no" signs placed on school property. I noticed two at DMS and just left them. Get real. The district had the right to remove signs from school property.

Those are the facts.

Dave Bishop
West Dundee
 

Dave -

Now that you have agreed the district removed signs, can you tell me where they were on the property? Wsa it by the street, say within 5 feet?

The area between the street and the sidewalk is a utility easement and is public property (in point of fact it's x number of feet, but I do not know how many of the top of my head). Are you telling me you saw signs else where near schools?

Please understand. I believe you shoudl get the property owners permission to place it on thier property, but the area in the utility easement is public property. And people who put out political signs need to know were they can and cannott put them.

If the signs were elsewhere, then you would be correct.
 

The other question I have is, if the schools belong to you and me Dave, why shouldn't we both be able to express our positions on school property?

Why should that space be limited to only approved opinions like you sons morning announcement calls for support of the bond issue? I don't think many people know how many times your son was on the morning announcements suporting the bond issue. (I am not questioning your son's motives here Dave, I am questioning D300 policy on fair presentation). Did Mr. Braegy allow and encourage other opinions to speak during the announcements?
 

Re: Illinois law regarding signs on PUBLIC school property on election day when the school is a designated polling place

For future reference – or perhaps applicable to one or more of the sign/school property issues currently on the blog…... It is my understanding from surfing the statutes, that on election day a PUBLIC school that serves in the capacity of a polling place, for all intents and purposes, becomes a public building. It is a polling place. Legal electioneering is defined in the statutes and involves the mandatory 100 foot rule, etc., etc. Temporary placement of signs on the property is allowed as long as they fall within the electioneering regulations. Local regulations do not have the power to counter this.

NOTE – repeat PUBLIC school property.

If I’m misreading it, clarification is welcome. Pop over to the Internet Illinois General Assembly site, go to compiled statutes, select Chapter 10 Elections, do a keyword search using electioneering and read the whole thing.

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It should be noted that some school districts don’t like this. They don’t like opposing folks handing out literature or putting up signs in the areas that are allowed. Newspapers in the past two or three years have printed stories about peaceful people doing legal electioneering being hassled.
 

Dave-

The school secretary was with Mr. Bastiaan when he went to the dumpster. That's what he told me.

In any event, one of the signs was taken from a home's front yard across the street from Golfview School. It has his blue mark on the side. (He didn't take a picture of it.)

The blue marks on the signs at the bottom of the "Dumpster Diving" story (indicating they were placed on private property by the man who took the pictures) were found in the garbage can next to the sidewalk at Dundee-Crown High School. You can see its placement in the photo of the police car. It is in the foreground.

The principal said that he thought some students put the "Vote No" signs in the school garbage can.

Certainly, trespassing is a violation of state law, but so is taking signs from private property.

I find it troubling that students should think sign stealing is appropriate behavior during a campaign. Of course, in other campaigns, I've seen adults doing the same thing.
 

Cal,

I can see a blue line clearly in the bottom picture.

Cathy